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Re: Council representatives and documentary evidence – Proof of Authority
In the case of council tax liability hearings at Grimsby Magistrates’ court would you please specify those members of the council who are properly authorised to take part in these proceedings? Could you also send copies of any documentation required by the Magistrate’s court as proof these council members are properly authorised, as per Section 223 of the Local Government Act 1972 (Appearance of local authorities in legal proceedings).
I believe Magistrates in these hearings accept computer printouts provided by council members as evidence for prosecution. This evidence though, is only permissible if supported by a certificate in accordance with Regulation 53 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 or Section 102 (13A) (Admissibility of evidence) of the Local Government Finance Act 1992.
Legislation specifies that such a certificate must be signed by a person occupying a responsible position in relation to the operation of the computer. Please also would you specify those members, or which individual of the council is/are properly authorised to sign this certificate and send to me a sample copy of this document.
Post edited 6:36 pm – January 4, 2012 by Polystyrene anchor
Follow on from complaint to Magistrates court – posts 49 and 51
Grimsby Magistrates' Court
Victoria Street, Grimsby
North East Lincolnshire
DN31 1NH
04/01/12
Dear Legal Team Manager
Re: Complaint made to Grimsby Magistrates’ court 16 December 2011
Thank you for your 23 December 2011 letter. I notice you have not specifically addressed my complaint. Instead you have listed three stages of a procedure, which if correctly followed, would be lawful and transparent.
However, the main body of my complaint dealt with the incorrectly followed procedure, hence the reference to "Regina v. Brentford Justices, Ex parte Catlin [1975] QB 455" and the case law from this which states “…if a magistrate authorises the issue of a summons without having applied his mind to the information then he is guilty of dereliction of duty…”
If you revisit my complaint letter of December 16, you will notice that NELC had put in writing that the council tax it pursued through the court had been paid. A point already explained in a letter to the council, and subsequently stated at the court hearing.
If my case highlights the need for such bulk processing to be brought into question, the following data obtained from the council, provides overwhelming evidence there is dereliction of duty.
The council have obtained from the court the following Liability Orders over the last 5 years, incidentally the Chief Executive of NELC has stated:
“The council's collection team checks the accuracy of all accounts before passing them to the enforcement stage. Accounts are only progressed to enforcement for amounts over £50.” From the same data source, it was determined that a total of 3,528 Liability Orders were issued for an initial debt of £50 or less.
• 1,387 Liability Orders issued for outstanding debt of less than £25
• 981 for less than £20
• 544 “ “ “ £15
• 82 “ “ “ £10
• 45 “ “ “ £5
• 12 “ “ “ £1
3 Liability Orders issued for debt of only 1p
The first item you listed in the three stage procedure, which you termed “lawful and transparent”, is:
1. “The council delivers a complaint list to the court.”
I believe the complaint list will exist in the form of a computer printout. It is also my understanding that Magistrates accept computer printouts as evidence only if supported by a certificate in accordance with Regulation 53 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 or Section 102 (13A) (Admissibility of evidence) of the Local Government Finance Act 1992.
Legislation specifies that such a certificate must be signed by a person occupying a responsible position in relation to the operation of the computer.
Would you please verify that this procedure is carried out and if so specify which council member was properly authorised to sign this certificate in relation to the council tax liability hearing of June 2, 2011 and send to me a copy of this document?
Secondly you state:
2. “This list is reviewed by a legal adviser, under powers delegated by the Justices' Clerk, who issues the summonses.”
In light of the ‘rather incriminating’ aforementioned liability order data, it seems logical to ask what the review process actually entails, and who is delegated the responsibility. It has already been mentioned the council's collection team should not progress accounts to enforcement for amounts under £50, but there is presumably – under Council Tax law – a minimum to which taking court action is lawful?
I think at best, the review process of the complaints laid by the council, would amount to the delegated court member’s momentary glance at the document followed by the downward motion of his rubber stamp holding arm, then repeated for however many thousand are required by the council. However, I suspect more realistically just one signed master copy would be supplied to the council which could then be reproduced for however many thousand are needed.
For your information I have already brought these issues to the attention of Her Majesty's Courts and Tribunals Service – Complaint Handling Team, and will shortly be presenting (on approval by my MP) a complaint to the Parliamentary Ombudsman.
Post edited 3:03 pm – January 6, 2012 by Polystyrene anchor
North East Lincolnshire council's response to formal complaint Post 48, received today.
North East Lincolnshire council
Civic Offices, Knoll Street
Cleethorpes
North East Lincolnshire
23rd December 2011
Dear Mr Anchor
Ref:- 550xxxxxxx
Thank you for your letter dated 13th December 2011. I have noted its contents.
You specifically ask about the £24.50 bailiff fee. It was the council's decision to withdraw your account from the bailiffs. For this reason we will not be pursuing you for this fee.
You ask about the £70 summons fee. You failed to make your council tax payments in accordance with your bill. You did not quote the correct account number on your payments and this precipitated all subsequent actions. The £70 summons fee has been correctly incurred and we await its payment. If you are unable to pay this in a lump sum please contact our Recovery section to discuss payment in instalments.
Post edited 9:05 am – January 7, 2012 by Polystyrene anchor
Revenues & Benefits Services Civic Offices Knoll Street Cleethorpes North East Lincolnshire
06/01/12
Dear Court Enforcement Manager
Re: Council tax Ref: 550xxxxxxx – Formal Complaint
Thank you for your letter dated 23 December 2011. I’m aware of the two week interval, from the date on your correspondence and that which I received it (January 6, 2012).
Am I correct in assuming the issues you have addressed are being dealt with in addition and separately to the council’s response I anticipate in relation to my Formal complaint? I ask this as your correspondence has no “formal” reference and only a fraction of the issues I raised have been addressed.
I note from your correspondence that you await payment of the £70 summons fee. I stated in my formal complaint letter of 13 December 2011 that “I had paid in accordance with Part 5 and Schedule 1 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations”, I can’t be held responsible – by being penalised – for the council’s inadequate automated system used in its collection of council tax.
Furthermore, after receiving the threat of court action for non-payment, I had written, advising the authority my payment had been made well before the date it was due. The council chose to ignore it.
It being your intention to collect this £70 fee, in hindsight you were probably premature in calling off your enforcement firm Rossendales, as I have no intention of forwarding this payment to the council. Also, should you decide to reinstate Rossendales to collect this fee, they will receive no cooperation from me. In fact I would hold North East Lincolnshire council wholly responsible for instructing an enforcement firm it clearly knows, carries out actions fraudulently on its behalf. You may be aware I have evidence in writing (Complaint.doc) from the council that a Rossendale’s bailiff collecting on its behalf, added fraudulent fees and the council/Rossendales was backed into a corner to cease his employment.
If, as you state, I had correctly incurred this summons fee, I would not be liable for the entire £70 cost, owing to the Council Tax Regulations stating in R34(5)(b) and (7)(b) that this should be “a sum of an amount equal to the costs reasonably incurred by the authority” and is incurred at each of the two stages independently. The council, in a bid to generate more income from these penalties, unlawfully combined both charges into one as detailed in its 2011 budget proposals. It doesn’t state that these penalties can be increased to create an additional revenue stream as the Council is doing by listing 'debt recovery' as 'income'. The council has clearly raised the penalties and combined them to plug a hole in its finances.
The council’s response to a FOI request has revealed that one of the expenses incurred by the council which make up the £70 Summons fee includes money paid to the Magistrates' court for the use of its premises. This should relate to liability order costs, R34(7)(b) of the Council Tax Regulations. Clearly by charging residents both fees at the summons stage, the council is in breach of these regulations. Not only is the council in breach of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992, it is unfairly penalising residents incurring the £70 Summons fee who actually pay off all their debt prior to a court hearing.
Perhaps it may be worth your while to determine a realistic cost for the summons and liability order penalties – incurred separately in accordance with R34 of the Council Tax regulations – in case the need should arise in the future, I incur such penalties.
I have requested that the council apply to the Magistrates’ court under R5(2) of the Council Tax Regulations SI 2004/927 to have all trace of this order delated from the record. For your information this was sent to the head of Income & Payments Service in a letter dated 31 December 2011.
Post edited 3:57 pm – January 9, 2012 by Polystyrene anchor
Grimsby Magistrates Court
Victoria Street
Grimsby
North East Lincolnshire
DN31 1NH
The Clerk to the Justices
Grimsby Magistrates’ Court
09/12/2012
Dear Sir/Madam
Council Ref: 550xxxxxxx
I am writing to request that you supply all information regarding the summons and liability order relating to the above council tax reference. I have enclosed a copy of the document sent to me which summoned me to appear on Thursday 2nd June 2011 for your reference.
The summons document appears not to have originated from the Court, but more likely the council. It is my opinion that by allowing North East Lincolnshire council to carry out duties which should be undertaken by the Magistrates’ court it can not be performing its judicial function of deciding whether to issue summonses.
The ending comment on the summons states “if a Liability Order is granted the Council will apply for further costs of £25.00 being reasonable costs incurred.”
This £25 costs is now obsolete. The council, in a bid to increase revenue from these penalties, significantly hiked the overall costs associated with court action. It also combined the two fees with the taxpayer incurring effectively both fees prematurely at the summons stage. This is unlawful in itself, something of which I won’t go into now, but I don’t have to explain why the council pulled this stunt. I will however say that the court should have been aware of what was going on as I believe the council must have the Court’s permission to set these penalty fees.
The fact this blunder had appeared on the summons document without neither the council nor Magistrates’ court noticing, demonstrates that the court is guilty of dereliction of duty by authorising the issue of a summons without having applied its mind to the information laid.
I have a final request for information that relates to the reasonable “costs incurred”. For the purposes of council tax summonses and liability orders; what is the cost to the council per resident affected by these fees, and what is an average number of these processed at one time?
North East Lincolnshire Council Finance Department North East Lincolnshire DN35 8LN
16th January 2012
Dear Mr Anchor
I am writing with reference to your 3 letters, received 5th January 2012, and your 'e' mail received 3rd January 2012.
Quashing of Liability Order and offer of compensation
I have reviewed the actions taken on your account and it is clear that payments were not made to the correct Council Tax account number or in accordance with the instalments shown on your Council Tax bill.
Regulation 34 (6) of the Council Tax Administration and Enforcement Regulations states "the court shall make the order if it is satisfied that the sum has become payable by the defendant". At the time the council was unable to prove to the Court that you had made payments. You were asked to assist the council in identifying your payments by providing further information on more than one occasion which you refused to do. As you are aware, the council has since located your payments which had been made against incorrect account numbers.
On this occasion I have agreed to withdraw the court costs and apply to the Magistrates Court to have the liability order quashed. A copy of our letter to the Magistrates Court will be issued to you in due course. However, I am not prepared to offer compensation. This matter would have been resolved at a much earlier stage if you had assisted the council in locating the payments when first requested, and the council has incurred unnecessary costs in terms of staff time spent locating the payments.
I understand that you have paid the final amount due; you will receive an amended bill confirming that the balance is 'nil' following the withdrawal of court costs. Please ensure that you quote the Council Tax account reference number shown on your bill in any correspondence and when making payments in future.
Distress for Rent Rules Form 5 complaint to the county court
North East Lincolnshire Council is aware of the procedures you outline within your letter.
Before taking such action the council must take into consideration all factors surrounding the bailiff and his conduct, including whether a complaint is fully upheld and whether there is evidence of repeated breaches of conduct.
After dealing with your complaint it was decided on this occasion that Rossendales as his employer were best placed to deal with the matter.
Your original complaint has been closed and North East Lincolnshire Council does not intend to make representations at the County Court under Regulation 8 of the distress for Rent Rules 1988.
If you wish to pursue this course of action further then you are within your rights to contact the County Court yourself, where you can put your complaint forward.
Council Representation and Documentary Evidence – Proof of Authority
In answer to your queries I can confirm:
Authorised Officers
I have enclosed the authorisation certificates signed by Xxxx Xxxx, Monitoring Officer, for the members of staff below:-
Post edited 1:46 pm – January 19, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Email to Council’s Court Enforcement Manager
17 December 2012
Dear Mr Xxxxx
I sent a formal complaint to the council on 13 December 2011. I received no formal acknowledgement of this. However, you must have read the letter as you selected one aspect of the complaint to address in your 23 December 2011 letter regarding court and bailiff fees.
I wrote again explaining the situation on 6 January 2012. I have had no reply to this letter, nor have I received a reply/acknowledgement to the Formal complaint.
Please indicate when I'm likely to get a response.
My letters are attached for your information.
Yours sincerely
P. Anchor
Council’s reply
17/01/2012
Dear Mr Anchor,
Re: Council tax Ref: 550xxxxxxx – Formal Complaint
Thank You for your letter dated 6th January 2012 and your subsequent emails of the 17th January the content of which have been noted.
In the first instance I would refer you to Mrs Xxxxx Letter dated 16 January 2012
I can make you aware that North East Lincolnshire Council WILL NOT be raising your concerns as a formal complaint and WILL NOT enter into further dialogue regarding the issues you have raised.
Post edited 1:58 pm – January 19, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
North East Lincolnshire Council
Finance Department
Civic Offices Knoll Street
Cleethorpes
17/01/2012
Dear Mr Anchor,
As per Mrs Xxxxx's Letter dated 16 January 2012 please see enclosed a copy of the application made to the Grimsby Magistrates Court regarding the Liability Order Granted on the 2nd June 2011.
If you have any further queries regarding this matter please do not hesitate to contact me on 01472 323xxx
Yours sincerely,
Court Enforcement Manager
North East Lincolnshire Council
Finance Department
Civic Offices Knoll Street
Cleethorpes
16 January 2012
Grimsby Magistrates Court
Grimsby & Cleethropes Magistrates Court
Grimsby
N E Lincs
Dear Sirs,
Pursuant to The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 2004, Statutory instrument 2004/927 Regulation 5(2).
North East Lincolnshire Council applies to have the below Liability Order quashed by the Grimsby Magistrates Court.
Liability Hearing 2nd June 2011
Mr Anchor
Xx Xxxx Xxxxx Grimsby
DN3x xxx
Amount Liability Order Granted for £816.49
A copy of the signed front page and the page within the liability list has been included for your records.
I include a copy of the legislation under which the application is made.
Should you require any further information do not hesitate to contact me direct on 01472 323xxx.
Put in a cost claim, ask it to be heard at the same time, I can walk you through it if you want. To councter any objection from the council, mention what the suspece account is for and that it ws the issuing officers that was supposed to check it.
I would put a cost claim in for around £ 500 for the paperwork you have done with the council and appearing in the first place.
Post edited 9:40 am – January 20, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Thanks for the advice CC, though I think the three years in total I've been pursuing this arrogant brick wall over these issues would make my claim for costs almost incalculable. But I will put some figures forward for consideration of the court.
I will say however, after a soul destroying experience, dealing with North East Lincolnshire council over its previous attempt to defraud me through its bailiff firm Rossendales, I was curious to see how they would respond, knowing all correspondence could be viewed by the public.
Still obstructive and arrogant, but at least they haven't been able to hide it.
Interestingly the authority is refusing to deal with my formal complaint and has said it will not enter into further dialogue regarding the issues I've raised (they threatened this before). Do they think their failings have the best chance of going unnoticed if they refuse to address the issues? Or, does this just amount to them throwing their toys out the pram because they know they're wrong?
North East Lincolnshire council is not unique in being arrogant and obstructive. You'll find, much the same as McDonald's franchises, that all councils will be carbon copies of one another. But one thing is certain; by keeping countless thousands of cases of bailiff abuse and court costs exploitation from being uncovered, the officers in our councils are enjoying their six figure salaries and obscene pensions, funded by those they are screwing.
We all pay their wages; don't allow them to get away with it.
Post edited 4:06 pm – January 20, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Grimsby Magistrates' court reply, to letter, Post 62
Magistrates' Court
Victoria Street
Grimsby
Our ref: GT/1x/01/1x
19 January 2012
Dear Mr Anchor
Further to your letter dated 4 January 2012 I regret to say that I do not feel I can be of any more assistance at this stage.
In respect of the process in general no doubt the Parliamentary Ombudsman will consider your complaint in due course.
In respect of the individual liability order proceedings on 2 June 2011 I understand that the Local Authority is applying to this court to quash the order made against you. That matter is listed for hearing on 27 January 2012 at 9.30 am. I am sure you will wish to attend court on that occasion.
That matter is listed for hearing on 27 January 2012 at 9.30 am. I am sure you will wish to attend court on that occasion.r
Yes will a claim of costs, well done, I see NTS today, looked glum for a change, not his usual cocky self. . Did you notice how them put his name of the FOI reqest reply about the mistaken £ 267,000 claim of write offs.
Post edited 7:00 pm – January 20, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Beats me how he's held on to his job for so long. I got the impression he was a weasel after about 5 minutes. Anyone who thinks they can endear themselves to people by bragging about courtroom conquests and their power to ruin people’s lives through bankruptcies and repossessions etc, beggars belief.
The following correspondence, obviously didn't factor into anyone considering him unsuitable to hold a position of influence.
Grimsby Magistrates Court
Victoria Street
Grimsby
The Chief Clerk
Grimsby Magistrates Court
04/08/2010
Dear Sir/Madam
Ref: Grimsby Telegraph Article 30th July 2010 – Woman who dodged 13K Council Tax
After reading the article about the sentencing of a Grimsby woman for failing to pay nearly £13,000 in Council Tax, I noticed that the court enforcement manager, Mr. Xxx Xxx was prosecuting for North East Lincs council.
Although I don’t know the woman involved and I know nothing about this case other than what I’ve read in the telegraph, I feel it’s my duty to inform you that Mr. Xxx’s role as prosecutor in this case is not appropriate and he should not be in a position to influence a Judges decision in a court of law.
I know this because I was lied to in a reply to a formal complaint to the council in which Mr. Xxxx was assigned to cover up the joint criminal behaviour of the NELC and their bailiffs, Rossendales. I was also contacted by someone who claimed they had been lied to about exactly the same matter, so there is obviously consistency.
It may seem unfair that I’m singling out an individual here, but I’m aware that there is growing pressure in today’s society to achieve results, ‘by hook or by crook’ and the likelihood is that he has been encouraged to do or say what ever it takes to get the desired result for the council.
Given the new information you hold about the court enforcement manager involved in prosecuting for NELC, I trust that reviews will be made regarding this case.
Post edited 7:32 pm – January 27, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Attended court this morning to witness the outcome of the hearing, i.e. whether or not the district Judge would quash my council tax liability order upon the application to the Magistrates' court under Regulation 5(2) of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 2004.
Incidentally, I would not have known when this court hearing would take place, had it not been mentioned, by chance, in relation to another issue with the court. It would have proceeded in my absence.
The council's court enforcement manager put his case first, which was entertaining. He'd obviously prepared by observing many episodes of Petrocelli.
He described, how I'd paid my council tax, as being analogous to handing payment to a lollipop lady (don't ask, I have no idea).
The Judge – although reading all my preparation notes – was only interested in the reason I'd paid instalments into accounts which were not mine, and why I refused to assist the council locate payments by supplying further information.
When he realised it was Grimsby Magistrates' court which had breached the Data Protection Act by sending me council tax references of other residents, he was no longer interested. The council's intransigence was also not considered a valid reason for me not assisting them.
I thought there was an opportunity to bring to a Judge's attention, the more general abuse of the procedure involved in liability order applications in council tax cases, however, this was of no interest to him. You could say he is living off immoral earnings, just like the CEO's of our councils.
The only positive is the liability order was quashed.
27 January 2012 – Court hearing for quashing liability order
My payments were made in paid in accordance with Part 5 and Schedule 1 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992.
I received the first correspondence from the council on 20 April 2011 (dated 12 April), which stated my account showed an overdue amount equal to the first instalment and that the instalment facility would be withdrawn if my account was not brought up to date by 6 May 2011. It further stated that if recovery action was taken there would be costs of £70 if a summons was issued.
I replied on 21 April explaining that an amount in excess of my first instalment payment had been sent directly from my bank account on 21 March (£90). Payment would have been credited to the council’s account well in advance of the required date, being 1 April.
I continued paying this sum each month so consequently my account’s credit continued to accumulate.
My 2nd Payment was made on April 26. However, I received a summons dated 11 May to appear at the Magistrates’ court on 2 June 2011 for non-payment of Council Tax. This was to obtain a Liability Order for my full year’s Council Tax liability plus summons costs of £70. I had by the time I received this summons, already paid £180 and my account was in credit by £5.09.
Notes on the summons costs and the summons procedure
It’s also important to note that the summons costs stated on the document is in fact the consolidated summons and liability order penalties. The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 state under Regulation R34(5)(b) and (7)(b), that the costs are those reasonably incurred by the authority and incurred at each of the two stages, independently.
By doing this, the authority has breached the council tax regulations by unlawfully combining both charges into one, as detailed in its 2011 budget proposals. The council also raised the overall cost by 23%. Both these measures were taken to raise a forecasted additional £752,000 over 4 years, without, as far as I’m aware, having any justification for the increase.
The council is therefore unlawfully collecting penalties from debtors settling their accounts prior to any court action. This procedure is not in accordance with Regulation R34(5) of the Council Tax Regulations, which requires that the authority shall not proceed with the application if the aggregate of the outstanding debt and costs reasonably incurred by the authority is paid or tendered to it. Essentially the authority is not lawfully permitted to charge debtors the liability order costs detailed in Regulation 34(7)(b) in such circumstances, however, by charging these costs prematurely at the summons stage, they have done exactly this.
Another important point, which brings into question the procedure of these bulk council tax court applications, is the limited attention it is possible to give each individual summons. This relates to both the council’s enforcement manager, responsible for delivering the complaints to the court, and the court’s legal adviser who issues the summonses, which was over 3,300 in the case of the 2 June court hearing.
My summons document was posted to me by the council, complete with a glaring error, and due to the ‘conveyor belt’ nature of these applications; it is likely that 3,000 plus summonses would have also contained the same.
“If the total amount outstanding as stated above including summons costs is paid to North East Lincolnshire Council before the date of the hearing, all further proceedings will be stopped. However, if a Liability Order is granted the Council will apply for further costs of £25.00 being reasonable costs incurred.”
As mentioned previously, the council’s costs had been consolidated into one penalty charge, with the debtor effectively incurring both summons and liability order costs at the summons stage of enforcement. The document’s format had obviously not been updated to reflect the changes in the council’s costs structure.
It is negligent that the council and court had permitted these summonses to be issued, but even more remarkable is that according to the council, it had informed the Magistrates’ court by letter of its intention to increase summons costs and that there were no longer costs for a liability order.
It’s unlikely the procedure involves the exercise of a judicial function with evidence pointing to the process being merely administrative. There must be serious doubt as to whether summonses are being issued without information actually being laid before the magistrate.
Chief Justice Lord Widgery stated in the case between "Regina v. Brentford Justices, Ex parte Catlin" that:
“before a summons or warrant is issued the information must be laid before a magistrate and he must go through the judicial exercise of deciding whether a summons or warrant ought to be issued or not. If a magistrate authorises the issue of a summons without having applied his mind to the information then he is guilty of dereliction of duty and if in any particular justices' clerk's office a practice goes on of summonses being issued without information being laid before the magistrate at all, then a very serious instance of maladministration arises which should have the attention of the authorities without delay.”
There is further evidence that the procedure is unlikely to involve the exercise of a judicial function.
The council have revealed that over the last 5 years, it has obtained a total of 3,528 liability orders for an initial debt of £50 or less. Among these, 1,387 were issued for outstanding debt of less than £25 with orders even being made for debts of only a penny. This is despite the Chief Executive of NELC stating that:
“The council's collection team checks the accuracy of all accounts before passing them to the enforcement stage. Accounts are only progressed to enforcement for amounts over £50.”
My 3rd Payment was made on May 21 which meant my account was actually in credit by £8.09. There was no contact from the council so I had accepted that I would need to attend the court hearing on June 2.
I attended court on the 2nd. I won’t go into every detail of the experience, but will say that the whole process was obviously a sham. The council had hired a room in order to negotiate some payment deal with those in attendance. This also served to prevent them from having a court hearing; it was evident that neither court staff members nor the council expected anyone summoned to actually be heard by Magistrates. I resisted court staffs’ attempts to persuade me that a hearing was unnecessary and waited several hours before being called to the courtroom.
I believe Magistrates in these hearings accept computer printouts as evidence. This evidence though, is only permissible if supported by a certificate in accordance with Regulation 53 of the Council Tax Regulations or Section 102 (13A) of the Local Government Finance Act 1992.
Legislation specifies that such a certificate must be signed by a person occupying a responsible position in relation to the operation of the computer. I was sent a document from the council; however, this was only a template form with no signature or date. I’m therefore unable to say whether the computer printout as evidence, would have been permissible at the hearing.
I stated that my council tax instalments had been made in full and on time by internet banking, paid directly into the council’s bank account. And because my account registered the corresponding debits, I was satisfied that the council had received payment.
I was asked to supply evidence of this. I had nothing, other than my word, so the court granted the council its liability order.
A council notice dated 3 June 2011 stated that it had obtained a liability order and according to its records there was £940.91 outstanding council tax debt. If you discounted the unwarranted and unlawful £70 summons fee, my outstanding liability for that council tax year was in fact, £600.91.
The notice went on to threaten, should my account not be settled in full within 14 days, the council would instruct its appointed bailiffs.
My 4th payment was made June 27 which meant I had paid £360 of my liability and my account was actually in credit by £11.09.
5th Payment was made July 25, making payments totalling £450 and account £14.09 in credit.
The council requesting payment details
A letter dated 27 July was sent by the council, requesting payment details in order for it to allocate payments I’d made to the council to my account.
The reason for this letter was unclear, as the information was minimal. The only giveaway was that it was noted by my comments at the court hearing, that I had made payments to my outstanding council tax bill through internet banking. The obvious question was why the council had suddenly deemed it possible that I was telling the truth in the courtroom.
My understanding is, with regards council tax payments, that any which can’t be allocated to a valid account for whatever reason, will be directed to a suspense account where presumably, attempts must be made to identify these and re-direct them accordingly. Obvious checks would be cross referencing bank accounts with previous year’s payments. This would not only identify payments that had been diverted to the suspense account, but would also locate any payments mistakenly paid into the wrong but valid account.
It seems the council may have looked at procedures it should have carried out prior to the recovery process. If it is the case, this negligence would go a long way in explaining the disproportionate number of residents caught out with recovery and enforcement penalties.
A visit from a Rossendales’ bailiff
A Rossendales’ bailiff attended my property the morning of 18 August. The bailiff was accompanied by the council’s Income & Collections Manager. The reason for the council monitoring its bailiff was in my opinion because of an ongoing dispute with the council which went back three years. This was in connection with Rossendales’ bailiffs attempting to defraud me on several occasions with respect an alleged council tax debt.
I made it clear I would not enter into any dialogue with a company which systematically used criminal tactics while recovering council tax on behalf of local authorities. I have pointed out to the council on more than one occasion that they are recklessly employing the services of a criminal enforcement firm. They have evidently chosen to ignore this warning and carry on appointing Rossendales to enforce on its behalf.
The bailiff left a notice demanding £940.91 – plus costs. It also stated that the bailiff had attended with the intention of seizing my goods as necessary to discharge the debt.
It must be remembered that at this stage, if you discounted the unwarranted and unlawful £70 summons fee, my outstanding liability for that council tax year was in fact, £420.91
With reference to my previous Rossendales experience, and at a similar stage of enforcement, an actual visit had not taken place but the bailiff charged a fee for doing so. This is known as a “phantom visit” in bailiff circles. This is fraud, which the Police consider to be a civil matter, which obviously it is not, as fraud is clearly a criminal offence.
A previous accusation of fraud, no doubt prompted the council to accompany the bailiff on this visit, and is likely the only reason the bailiff appeared in person that day.
Surprisingly though, even with the council’s Income & Collections Manager overseeing operations, the bailiff’s notice did not comply with the “National Standards for Enforcement Agents” with relation to the following:
“Enforcement agents will on each and every occasion when a visit is made to a debtor’s property which incurs a fee for the debtor, leave a notice detailing the fees charged to date, including the one for that visit, and the fees which will be incurred if further action becomes necessary...”
The notice neither detailed fees for that visit, nor any fees which would be incurred if further action became necessary.
When I brought this up in a formal complaint, the council dismissed my concerns, on the grounds that the National Standards were only guidelines. However, on other occasions the authority boasts that their reputable appointed bailiff firm is governed by these Standards – especially when promoting the council’s reputation or fending off criticism.
Another payment made
A 6th payment was made August 23, this totalled £540 and my account was in credit by £17.09.
Letters from Rossendales
A letter dated 26 September from Rossendales Ltd, headed final reminder, warned that I had not made payment to clear the overdue balance, which had risen to £965.41. It also warned that when the van attends I would be liable for additional costs.
Another letter undated but received 29 September stated that my account had been closed with them at the council’s request.
There was no contact from the council as to why they had taken back my case from Rossendales. For all I knew, they could have located my payments, known that I would not have handed payment to Rossendales, or they may possibly have had committal proceedings in mind.
Another payment made
A 7th payment was made October 1, this totalled £609.91.
Request for bank statements
A letter dated 3 November was sent by the council explaining it believed my payments had been located. It had seen on the comments facility of the Grimsby Telegraph’s website that a contributor had posted details of these payments and they believed the contributor was me.
It went on to say that they had traced payments received on those dates which matched the quoted amounts, but wanted proof that the payments were made by me.
I was documenting events in the comments to one of those council propaganda articles that regularly appear in the Grimsby Telegraph. It seemed appropriate as the article dealt with the liability orders and enforcing payment through its bailiffs. I chose to do this because previous attempts to highlight failings through the formal complaint procedure had been totally soul destroying. For whatever reason, the council default to the defensive, and any investigation into complaints are far from impartial. I was under no illusion that the council would be any less awkward or arrogant than they normally were, but at least it could be observed in the open.
These details were in fact posted on the Grimsby Telegraph’s website on October 1. However, I also sent a letter detailing the same dates and payment amounts on October 10.
I suspected that at least one member of the council was posting on the same article. There was continual goading with comments such as “Pay your Council Tax” and references made with regards proving payments. I was almost sure this was the work of council employees when the contributor ceased when the October 1 details had been posted on the website.
I replied to the 3 November letter on 7 November and explained I would not be sending bank statements unless the council paid sufficient postage to cover a safe and secure transition of these documents which I considered to be of a sensitive nature. The unprofessional way council staff had conducted themselves with regards the GT website was also brought to their attention.
Undated letter from council
I received a letter on the 23 November which explained that the council had not received my letter detailing the dates and payment amounts I’d made on October 10. However, it was satisfied that they were my payments and would be allocated to my account.
The letter explained that my payments had been allocated to an incorrect but valid account reference which I had mistakenly quoted on my bank instructions. Their investigations raised a question regarding their ownership and at this point the payments were put into a suspense account whilst it was established to which account they should correctly be allocated. The council refused to give documentary evidence of the account I’d paid into on the grounds it was not my account and it would breach the data protection act.
There was however, no indication as to where I stood regarding the recovery action they had taken, nor the penalties I’d incurred through summons costs and bailiff fees.
Reference numbers mistakenly entered into bank payment instructions
I checked both bank accounts used to pay my council tax, and discovered both had incorrect reference numbers assigned to the payment instruction. It was odd though that both account references were wrong with different wrong numbers.
These unlikely set of circumstances were down to Grimsby Magistrates' court carelessly sending me council tax details of several other residents after a request for information relating to Liability Orders.
I had complained to the Information Commissioners Office about a breach of the Data protection Act. However, the ICO did not regard my complaint worthy of any formal action, incidentally, nor did it think the serious issues I raised about Rossendales breaching the Data Protection Act on another occasion were worthy of action.
These details, i.e. council tax reference numbers, were on my desk and to hand, and had to be the reason I mistakenly entered incorrect numbers in my bank payment instructions.
The council has some news
I received a letter on 6 January 2012. This was dated 23 December and was the first time the council had mentioned the situation regarding the enforcement action since it formally accepted my payments had been made in its 23 November letter. Presumably this was prompted by various letters I had written for some explanation. If I had not done this, it’s unlikely I would ever have been notified.
It was the council's decision to withdraw the bailiff fee from my account. However, it deemed I had failed to make council tax payments in accordance with my bill, as I mistakenly quoted the account number on your payments. Therefore the £70 summons fee had been correctly incurred and awaited its payment.
I also received a letter dated 16 January, this was in response to a series of letters regarding among other issues, the quashing of the liability order. It specified I had refused to assist the council in identifying my payments by providing further information and emphasised that I had refused to do this on more than one occasion.
This is true, and I have no problem admitting it.
Was this the same council that was asking for my assistance that had threatened me, attempted to defraud me through Rossendales on several occasions, twice taken unnecessarily court action for alleged non-payment of council tax, lied, been obstructive, wasted endless months of my time in disputes which in turn led to further disputes with the Police, Local Government Ombudsman and Information Commissioners Office?
I had paid in accordance with Part 5 and Schedule 1 of the Council Tax Regulations, I should not have received threatening letters, been taken to court, incurred summons costs, or had my account sent to Rossendale’s bailiffs and incurred their fees.
There has been a completelack of cooperation from the council at every turn, an inability to address issues raised and a make a fair, unbiased assessment and of ever admitting fault.
A following selection of quotes may give an insight into their intransigence:
“Your scatter gun approach of sending the same request to numerous officers and councillors is taking up a disproportionate amount of officer time and is, unfairly for the other citizens of N.E.Lincolnshire, diverting resource from the provision of the services we provide. Should you continue with this approach I will have no option but to ask that staff across the council do not respond to any further requests regarding this issue.”
“I can make you aware that North East Lincolnshire Council will not be raising your concerns as a formal complaint and will not enter into further dialogue regarding the issues you have raised.”
“Thank you for your email. It is clearly in response to the stage 3 findings and is not in relation to a new complaint. We will not therefore be taking any further action. As stated in the stage 3 response you still have the option to take your issues to the Local Government Ombudsman.”
“Your original complaint has been closed and North East Lincolnshire Council does not intend to make representations at the county court under Regulation 8 of the distress for Rent Rules 1988.
If you wish to pursue this course of action further then you are within your rights to contact the County Court yourself, where you can put your complaint forward.”
Post edited 10:25 pm – January 27, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Complaint to Parliamentary Ombudsman – Outcome
25 January 2012
Dear Mr Anchor
Your complaint to the Ombudsman
Further to our recent communications regarding your complaint I have written to your MP, Mr Xxxx Xxxx, to inform him of our decision on your complaint. I enclose a copy of that letter for your information.
Yours sincerely
Xxxx Xxxx
Assessor
Enc.: 1
Dear Mr Xxxxxx
Mr P. Anchor, xx Xxxx Xxxxx, Grimsby DN32 XXX on behalf of ,
1. On 12 January 2012, the Parliamentary Ombudsman received your referral of
Mr Anchor's complaint against the North East Lincolnshire Council (the local council), the Information Commissioners' Office and HM Courts and Tribunals Service. We have now had the opportunity to consider Mr Anchor's complaint, and I am able to give you our decision. For ease of understanding, I have split the complaint in three parts as follows.
The Local Council
2. As I understand it, Mr Anchor mistakenly paid his council tax bills with an incorrect reference number, which led to his payments being allocated to another person's account. He said that it took the council many months to understand this and they delayed their investigations. This led to a council tax debt accruing and the council instructing bailiffs to collect the alleged debt. He said that the bailiffs acted fraudulently and tried to charge him fees despite not even turning up.
3. Mr Anchor complained about the way the council and their bailiffs acted to try to collect his alleged council tax debt. He also complained about the way the council handled his complaint. Mr Anchor wanted legal action taken against the council and their bailiffs for the distress he experienced.
4. Mr Anchor completed the council's complaints procedure and eventually approached the Local Government Ombudsman (LGO). In July 2010, LGO declined to investigate the complaint about the bailiffs as it was out of their jurisdiction based on being an appealable decision which carried a right of appeal to the Magistrate's Court. Mr Anchor had appealed but it was out of time and asked LGO to reconsider it. LGO explained that regardless of him being out of time to appeal, the matter was still outside their jurisdiction as it related to whether the bailiffs had acted irregularly or illegally. LGO said that allegations of fraud should be taken up with the police.
5. LGO did investigate other matters, such as how the local council had dealt with the matter and subsequent complaint. They decided to discontinue the investigation based on having found either no maladministration or no remaining injustice to Mr Anchor. He then asked us to review the complaint about the council and its bailiffs.
6. Our decision: Mr Anchor's complaint about the local council and its contracted out bailiffs are out of our remit. The Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967, from which the Ombudsman takes her powers, states that she can only investigate matters that relate to a government department; or to a corporation or body whose functions are exercised on behalf of the Crown; and only those government bodies or corporations that are listed under Schedule 2 of the Act. Local councils and private companies are not listed under Schedule 2 of the Act and therefore, they are not within the Ombudsman's remit. The correct avenue to consider such complaints is the LGO.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO)
7. Mr Anchor complained to ICO that HM Courts and Tribunals Service (HMCTS) disclosed third party information to him in a Data Protection request. He said that HMCTS added three third party's council tax references to his papers, which caused him confusion when paying his own council tax and led to his payments going to an incorrect account.
8. ICO responded to Mr Anchor's complaint about HMCTS's data handling on
21 April 2011 and reviewed it in May 2011. ICO concluded that HMCTS's data handling could be improved and wrote to them to recommend that staff be advised to comply. ICO decided that this action was sufficient and proportionate, and in keeping with their regulatory role, and closed the case. Mr Anchor complained to us that he is dissatisfied with the actions ICO undertook and believes that they should take further regulatory action.
9. Mr Anchor also complained that 'Rossendale' (a private bailiff company contracted out by the local council) left confidential correspondence in his building wedged on the external door rather than posting it through his door.
10. ICO considered Mr Anchor's complaint about the Bailiffs' handling of his personal data and reviewed it again in September 2011. ICO decided that it was 'likely' that Rossendale had complied with the Data Protection Act as there was no conclusive evidence to prove that the letters had not been handled properly, other than one party's word against the other. ICO said that, as.they could not rely on the evidence available, they would not take any regulatory action. Mr Anchor told us that he believes that ICO should use its regulatory powers to take enforcement action.
11. Our decision: the ICO is within our remit and therefore and we have considered their handling of Mr Anchor's complaints. In relation to HMCTS, ICO explained that, as it was not Mr Anchor's information that was improperly released, they had no duty to make an assessment under their regulatory role. ICO decided, however, to use their general role to promote compliance and recommended that HMCTS improve their data handling by issuing warnings to their staff to be aware of how to handle data requests. Although I understand that Mr Anchor is dissatisfied with ICO's actions here, we cannot see that their actions were not helpful or proportionate, or in keeping with their role.
12. In relation to the complaint about the bailiffs, ICO decided not to take any action as they could not find concrete evidence that it was likely Rossendale had failed to handle Mr Anchor's personal information. In the absence of evidence, we cannot see that ICO's decision here was flawed. In our view, ICO took Mr Anchor's concerns seriously, reviewed both his complaints and their decisions are not unreasonable. That being the case, we cannot see that there is any reason for us to investigate Mr Anchor's complaint about ICO.
HM Courts and Tribunals Service (HMCTS)
13. Mr Anchor complained about the court's procedure of bulk handling council tax cases, where over 3,000 cases where heard at the same hearing as his. He said that the judge issued summons without looking at the clear evidence provided and he believes that this was 'dereliction of duty' in the judicial exercise. Mr Anchor would like HMCTS to change its court procedures on 'bulk hearings'.
14. HMCTS said in July 2011 that 'the applications for Council tax summons were laid at this court, and by the powers delegated by the Justices Clerk the applications were duly considered and a judicial decision was made to issue the summonses.' They said they could not comment on judicial decisions. Mr Anchor was still dissatisfied with the procedure itself and on 23 December 2011 HMCTS said that the procedure had recently been reviewed at national level and as a result it had been determined that the 'process in respect of issuing the summons is lawful and transparent'.
15. Mr Anchor also complained about the judge's decisions on his 'complaint against a certified bailiff' under the Distress for Rent Rules 1988 Rule 8. He said that he would like the courts to fully investigate his complaint against the bailiffs.
16. Mr Anchor's complaint about the conduct of the bailiffs was passed to the county court that issued the bailiff's license and was considered by Judge Appleton, who decided based on the evidence available, that the bailiff's fitness was not in question and that no further action should be taken. HMCTS issued the decision and explained in August 2010 that this had been a judicial decision and the judge's decision could only be disputed through an appeal. Mr Anchor then asked us to consider both complaints.
17. Our decision: Both of Mr Anchor's complaints about HMCTS are out of our remit. We can only deal with administrative actions of the courts and not the exercise of judicial or legislative matters.
18. As I understand it, the court processes are based on the Civil Procedure Rules, which is in itself based in legislation and statutory instruments. The Ombudsman can only investigate administrative functions of government bodies listed in Schedule 2 of Partiamentary Commissioner Act 1967. The exercise of legislative functions are outside the Ombudsman's remit and she does not have the power to change or dispute legislation.
19. In relation to judge's decisions, the Ombudsman also cannot investigate any action taken in the course of administrative functions exercised at the direction, or on the authority (whether express or implied), of a judge of any court established under the law of England and Wales or Northern Ireland. This is specified in Schedule 3 of the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967. For these reasons, we cannot consider Mr Anchor's complaint about HMCTS.
Conclusion
20. We have undertaken an impartial review of Mr Anchor's complaints and concluded that we cannot investigate his complaint about the local council or HMCTS as these are out of our remit. Having considered his complaint about ICO, we cannot see that their actions were unreasonable and therefore we have no grounds to investigate Mr Anchor's complaint.
21. I acknowledge that Mr Anchor will be disappointed with our decision; however, I hope that he will take some reassurance from the fact that we have considered his concerns in detail. I have sent a copy of this letter to Mr Anchor for his information.
North East Lincolnshire Council
Civic Offices Knoll Street
North East Lincolnshire
DN35 8LN
13/02/12
Dear head of Income & Payments Service
Re: Professional negligence
I’m sure you are aware that on the 17 January 2012, the council’s court enforcement manager Mr Xxx Xxxx informed me in writing that the council wouldn’t be raising my concerns as a formal complaint nor would it enter into further dialogue regarding the issues I’d raised.
It’s unlikely this decision would have been taken by Mr Xxxx and as head of Income & Payments Service I assume authority to sanction this was given by you.
Because of the council’s negligence and failure to deal with my formal complaint, I’ll take it that for all intents and purposes, the Local Government Ombudsman will view all stages of North East Lincolnshire’s formal complaint procedures have been exhausted, which will consequently allow me to take the complaint directly to the organisation.
The council’s apparent policy to profit from the recovery process in council tax cases has encouraged me to look into aspects of the Income & Payments Service, in particular that of council tax recovery and the council’s bailiff contractor.
I have made sufficient allegations of the council’s profiteering and involvement in fraud that it is unlikely this hasn’t filtered through to you. However, your first and only apparent involvement has been your 16 January response to my letters of 5th January 2012, dealing with among other issues, the quashing of my liability order, erroneously applied for by NELC.
One can appreciate, through the inattentive manner in which the recovery department is generally run, how so many thousands of cases of alleged non-payment of council tax are unnecessarily processed through the Magistrates’ court and progressed to bailiffs for enforcement.
The council has obtained over the last 5 years, a total of 3,528 liability orders for an initial debt of £50 or less, with some of these orders even being made for debts of only a penny. This is particularly negligent when the council's collection team should check the accuracy of all accounts before passing them to the enforcement stage, and only amounts over £50 should be progressed to enforcement.
The document which details ‘Schedule 5’ of the regulations, and sent out to thousands of residents each year by the council, failed to reflect the amended change in one of the fees connected with distress, which the council’s bailiffs, are lawfully required to charge.
More than 40,000 of these documents containing legislative errors had been sent out since the 2007 amendment. I wrote to the council pointing out this error, however, it didn’t prevent it sending out a further four and a half thousand of these documents which were four years out of date, before amendments where made.
In another demonstration of negligence within the recovery department, it is likely the council sent out at least 3,359 summonses containing out of date information relating to costs for obtaining a liability order. This is remarkable because the council had informed the Magistrates’ court by letter of its intention to increase summons costs and that there were no longer costs for a liability order. The fact neither the council nor Magistrates’ court noticed thousands of documents containing errors, raises serious concerns and brings into question whether there is any monitoring of liability order applications.
It would follow that all 3,359 of these summonses would be void, and any court cost and enforcement fees imposed as a result of the flawed documents would have been incurred unlawfully.
My assertion that court costs and bailiff fees will have been unlawfully obtained is reinforced by the council having to re-send letters sent out on the 3 June 2011. 2,207, 14 day ‘duplicate’ bailiff notifications were sent out in total on 9 June by Income & Payments Service, as a follow-up to liability orders being issued by the Grimsby Magistrates' Court on 2nd June 2011. These documents, like the 3,359 summonses, were defective. If it was deemed necessary by the council to make corrections to these 14 day notices, then the summonses should have also been corrected and re-sent. To my knowledge, none of these defective summonses were corrected and re-sent.
I have repeatedly warned the council about Rossendales, and have provided more than enough evidence that they operate criminally. However, the council continues to use this enforcement firm, in the full knowledge that their methods of enforcing payment include defrauding residents.
I sent notification to several council staff members that on the 31 October 2011, an episode of the ITV 1 Exposure series would feature Rossendales Ltd. The documentary revealed that potential bailiffs undergoing training to work for Rossendales were actually instructed to operate criminally.
Rossendales’ malpractice has been well documented in the National press and I have also brought this to the attention of the council, yet NELC continues to use their services. I'm aware – only in recent weeks – NELC have signed an agreement with Rossendales for them to continue their contract.
Rossendales’ service level agreement with the council was signed by yourself on 19 January 2012. Issues I’ve raised have been deemed unfounded by the council which clearly should have been upheld, if the agreement had been detailed correctly. There is a serious failing of the councils’ formal complaint procedure where blatant breaches of conduct are supported by the authority.
I have proof of the council being grossly incompetent with its investigations into Rossendales complaints. Either that, or a dishonest approach has been taken to achieve a “no fault outcome”.
In considering all the above, it is my opinion that as head of income & Payments Service and being overall responsible for the negligence and incompetence that has occurred, the only decent thing you can do is resign from the post. Of course I extend this view to Xxxxx Xxxxx, the Chief Executive of the council who should also mirror this action.
I have to thank you for standing up not only for yourself but also making public your plight for justice and exposing the professional negligence that is sadly typical in local councils.
I too have been victimised and outraged by the incompetence and lack of care of duty by my local council and have found lots of useful information on this thread that I can use in my case.
Whos your council, can you give details about what happened for you, you can send it to my email if you want. I have been collecting data ( and so has P-Anchor ). I understand the laws and reg around council tax administration better than most.
back in 1999 I use to be a process server serving injunctions, late in 1999
I was attacked with a knuckle duster while sitting in my car. I suffered a broken
top jaw and a host of associated problems including post traumatic stress which sent me crazy for a while and couldn't work.
At first I refused to claim any benefits but after selling everything i had
of any value, used up all savings, went into £k's+ in mortgage arrears, I
was forced to. I got quite a large family and once the food bill came under
pressure i had no choice other then to claim whatever I could to survive.
I was still under some heavy medication at the time and the One office
filled in my claim form. I was awarded incapacity benefits, housing and council tax
benefits.
Once I got my head straight I self taught and set up a new business for
websites, it started slowly so I wasn't able to get off benefits totally but it
looked promising, then the recession hit. Things didn’t take off as hoped but I
stuck with it. My income is still low so I get working tax credits and wife
gets child tax, as far as I know I'm still entitled to ctb (according to all the online calculators).
in 2008, I got a summons for unpaid ctax, after weeks of getting nowhere
with the benefits office, I wrote to the chief payments and benefits officer
and explained my case hoping to speak to someone with a bit of sense.
I received a reply from the chief payments and benefits officer who
said the
case against me set to be heard in January 2009 will NOT go ahead but he
urged
me to get in touch with the council and sort out the 'arrears' (I later
found out the case DID go ahead and an LO was obtained against me).
I got back in touch with the council office as directed to and it turned out
they lost some info provided to them a couple months back.
After recovering from my injuries (the effects went on for quite a while, I ended
up with misaligned jaw so couldn’t chew properly, double vision, headaches etc)
I was declared fit and went on jobseekers allowance while I looked for a new
job.
The jobseekers office was constantly getting things wrong, booking
appointments for me with advisors that they never told me about and then
stopping my jobseekers for non attendance, other times they’d give me a wrong
date to sign on. They would normally admit their mistakes and sometimes have to
‘rebuild’ my claim to restore my benefits.
Some time later I would get letters from the ctb office asking why there
were breaks in my jobseekers, I always provided them with proof e.g. letters
from jobseekers explaining any gaps in claim, proof or declarations that I
hadn’t worked during the breaks etc. I always responded to all requests for
further info from the ctb office and it was not unusual for them to lose the
info provided, even when they handed back copies to me stamped as ‘received’.
Around May 2010 I got a visit from a bailiff claiming he had a number of
liability orders against me for unpaid ctax, I produced evidence of my ctb for
the period he claimed I was in ct arrears, the bailiff didn’t have a copy of
the liability order but still left a letter saying he would return to remove
goods.
I visited the ctb office asap, told them I knew nothing about arrears, had
never received a summons apart from the one where the chief payments officer
assured me the hearing would not go ahead. they couldn’t explain how the
arrears came about but agreed to put bailiffs on hold until further
investigation.
I kept phoning them and spoke to one ctb officer who told me there was a
serious error made on my claim and he strongly advised me to attend their office and insist on seeing a
supervisor who could put things right.
Amongst all this they terminated my ctb saying that now I’m getting working
tax credit I wasn’t entitled to ctb.
I attended the ctb office and demanded to see a supervisor, I was first seen
by a ‘normal’ ctb officer who told me I owed the debt no matter what, even
after I produced evidence of my ctb. I insisted on seeing a supervisor and
after being made to wait an hour plus I was ushered into a cubicle where a man
and woman claimed to be supervisors, I told them I knew nothing of arrears or
liability orders and had not seen a summons. They refused to identify
themselves or discuss my ctb and said they were not obliged to send me a
summons. They told me if I attended their offices again no one would see me and
if I tried calling no one would take my call. They also said I had no right of
appeal and this was their final decision. They refused to put this in writing
and terminated the ‘interview’ by telling me I should just deal with the
bailiffs and if I didn’t like their response I could complain to the ombudsman
or seek legal advice.
I sought advice from the cab who told me it was crazy, that I didn’t owe the
council tax and to talk direct with the council. They told me I could not get
legal aid to take action against the council.
I then hand delivered a letter of complaint to the ctb office stating I had
no knowledge of arrears or liability orders and had never received a summons and
got a reply from one of their enforcement officers who claimed the council had
obtained SEVEN liability orders against me for the date range 1999 to 2009.
The bailiff visits continued, I spoke with them a number of times, told them
the ‘debt’ was in dispute and that they would not get anything from me and I
welcomed any legal action against me as this would give me an opportunity to
put my case in front of a judge, something I had previously been denied.
Present
Then heard nothing until Oct 2011 when a process server gave a large
envelope to my wife addressed to me as I was out at the time. The envelope contained
a letter saying he was trying to serve me with a stat demand and that he’ll
re-attend in 7 days.
8 days later he returned, again I was out. This time he gave my wife 2 large
envelopes, one addressed to her the other to me.
My wife’s envelope contained a stat demand issued in my name, my envelope
contained a stat demand again issued in my name along with a letter saying he
will re-attend to make a final attempt to serve me personally or post the stat
demand through my letter box.
About a week later I found a large envelope addressed to me containing a
third stat demand again issued in my name.
So he delivered 4 envelopes in total, containg 2 letters saying he will return and 3
stat demands each naming me as the debtor.
Each of the 3 stat demands bear the council’s solicitor’s signature in ink,
all vary slightly that prove these are originals, not copies. I could not have
them in my possession if they were not delivered by their process server, this I
feel proves my wife was not served with a stat demand in her name.
The process server failed to check the documents he thought he served
and how could i have 3 stat demands in my name if he didn't serve them?
By this time I had prepared my application to have the stat demand set aside
and once gathered all my evidence, submitted it to the court.
This was 27th Oct 2011. I received a date for a hearing on my
application in Feb 2012. I panicked a bit when I saw the council’s legal fees
of £1100 plus just for the hearing, they were paying a barrister £400 to attend
a 30 minute hearing!
On 3rd Feb my wife got a letter from the court saying a
bankruptcy hearing took place in her absence, a day later she got a copy of
an order saying she was adjudged bankrupt!
She has not been served with a stat demand to date although the process
server exhibits in his statement of truth a stat demand with her name on it,
claiming he served her. In view of the 3 stat demands in my possession, I can’t
see how this is possible!
I sought legal advice and was told it was expensive to get my wife’s
bankruptcy annulled and that because my case was to be heard on 9th
Feb we were better off waiting, logic being if we got the stat demand set aside it would be
easier and cheaper to get her bankruptcy annulled and that I would probably get
my expenses back, meaning I could ‘safely’ borrow the legal fees from friends
and family.
I was confident in presenting my case to the judge but after seeing
some of the dodgy practice the solicitors were capable of I felt I
needed someone
with knowledge in this area in law so found someone at short notice who
charged me £700 plus vat to sort through my case and attend court with
me. I
borrowed the money as I felt I could take no chances.
When I attended the court, I was talking to my newly found solicitor
just
before the hearing. The council’s barrister walked in, heard us talking,
and
courteously told he was representing the other side. I left the
solicitor and
their barrister to talk for a few minutes to talk, upon my return I
found my solicitor
looking distraught. He told me the barrister was going to ask the judge
to
instantly dismiss my application on the grounds that liability orders
were
obtained and had valid cited case law saying a judge could not set aside
the stat demand, my solicitor said my chances of success
were practically nil.
While waiting to see the judge I checked on my smart phone to see how to go
about getting a liability order set aside, I found a legal website that said
setting aside an LO was extremely difficult if the judgement wasn’t challenged
almost immediately and a judicial review may be required which is beyond the
means of most.
When we finally got in to see the judge, my stuttering solicitor told the
judge the debt was in dispute and produced the letter from the chief payment
officer saying the case in Jan 2009 would not proceed when in fact it did.
The council’s barrister objected to the presentation of ‘new’ evidence and
told the judge he was obliged to dismiss my application because he was not
allowed to question the LO’s and that if I wished to dispute them, the correct
procedure is to apply to have them set aside.
At this point I stood up to talk, my solicitor asked for permission from the
judge who granted me 2 minutes.
I argued that the LO’s had been illegally obtained, the debt had been in
dispute for some time, and that my research showed it was extremely difficult
if not impossible to get an LO set aside, therefore the only time to question
their validity was there and then and besides my research showed that the judge
has discretion, if he felt an injustice would be dealt to me by allowing the
stat demand to stand, he still had the discretion to set it aside.
The judge asked for evidence, I gave him a ct bill for the period 2009 that
said zero amount was due and that I was awarded full ctb.
The judge said this was enough to put a doubt in his mind and he felt a
longer hearing was necessary to hear all evidence before making a decision.
The barrister ended up having a row with the judge who said he was not
changing his mind, he repeated there may be an injustice if he did not hear all
the evidence I had as the reason for adjournment.
After a few days of researching my next action, I emailed the council’s CE,
ombudsman, and mp asking them to intervene, I produced a set of bills dating
from 1999 to 2009 each proving I was on full ctb, this was a set of duplicates
provided to me by the council in feb 2009 which post-dated 7 of the 10
liability orders and a statement to say I was still entitled to ctb to date.
I haven’t gone into all the details of what I put in my witness statement
but in the council’s witness response, which was in reply, they stated they had
no records of visits or calls disputing the amounts owed, that yes I was
awarded ctb but this didn’t mean I didn’t owe ct, that the liability orders
were properly obtained and I knew about them 20 months ago but haven’t
challenged them, and that if I contacted their office I would not be turned
away.
I’ve got quite a few documents, letters I sent to them, ct bills, letter
from their chief payments and benefits officer etc.
I’ve got until the first week of March to lodge any further evidence with
the court.
I’ve prepared an SAR to the council but doubt if I get this in time for the
court, and have also sent a second email to the Council’s CE today (21st
Feb), asking if they’ll oppose or support my wife’s application to annul the
bankruptcy order and ‘requested’ them to quash the liability orders they
illegally obtained. In fact because it was so relevant I used one of P-Anchor’s
letter as a template, making a few minor changes.
I also asked the CE to provide evidence why my claim for ctb was stopped,
reasons, copy of documents etc. and asked for a response within 7 days.
I can’t afford any more solicitors so am on my own from here on, any advice
would be greatly appreciated.
Post edited 11:06 am – February 22, 2012 by Polystyrene Anchor
Hi a54,
Thanks for the appreciation.
I felt forced into making public the council's incompetence and lack of care of duty. I realised after a catalogue of cover-ups at the hands of the council, Police, LGO etc etc…. that they are pretty much immune to prosecution, but despite this, I was determined they would not keep this issue under wraps.
Your story highlights the familiar characteristics which seem common to all local authorities. When they get their teeth into something – whether they're right or wrong – they just don't let go. The fact that they ruin lives doesn't enter into anything with them, it becomes a competition that they "will win" at any cost.
I wonder if the conveyor belt nature of enforcement processes are the cause of the 'chain of events' which get set in motion, that nobody is willing or authorised to intervene. If we were privy to information detailed in job descriptions or terms of employment of council staff we deal with, it may well reveal that pressure to hit targets could be a cause of the obstruction.
An interesting point is the obstructive and routine way council staff reject any complaint about any matter related to recovery.
The following is quoted from a document entitled “North East Lincolnshire Council – Corporate Debt Recovery Strategy”:
“Only officers within the Debt Recovery Section, after agreement with the Debt Recovery Manager, will be able to intervene in the recovery cycle to deal with hardship or dispute situations. This includes the ability to make deferred payment arrangements or suspend recovery action due to the debtor’s lack of means.”
I expect several lines of defence would prevent residents, querying issues, to make successful contact with any staff member in debt recovery within the council’s Income & Payments Services. Perhaps the biggest line of defence though, would be that aggrieved residents, wishing to raise concerns, would have their telephone enquiries diverted, and “dealt with by a corporate call centre, outside of the Income & Payments Services”
This would prevent any problems being highlighted, and consequently, would escalate without being brought to the attention of the relevant managers, who should, if they had authorisation to do so, investigate the complaint.
The authority’s formal complaint procedure fails too. As far as the council is concerned, they are always right and they always act within the law. It’s evident that authorities seem confident, very few formal complaints which are progressed to the Local Government Ombudsman, will have any consequences for them. Remember the complainant has no access to details the council may have sent that could influence the Ombudsman.
From my experience, you are also pretty much stitched-up when taking issues to the Citizen’s advice bureau. These bureaux generally receive council funding, and being a principal funder, this seems to give councils the right to draft service level agreements and consequently influence how the organisation is run.
I hope your council oblige and apply to the Magistrates' court to have your illegally obtained liability orders quashed, this, I should imagine, would be at least one hurdle passed.
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